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keithcross
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:48    Post subject: Sidecar/trailer advice Reply with quote

I have received this via an email enquiry, can anyone here help this lady

Hi,i hope i have the right person for my q's if not please pass to the correct one thanks.
I have a 1996,gl 1500 goldwing fitted with a Hedingham xl sidecar.
I would like to tow a small teardrop or trailer and would like to know what weight my outfit can take,please pass my detail on if anyone can help or call or email back.
Many thanks.
Andy Clifton

Thanks

Dougal
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:41    Post subject: easy Reply with quote

Thats easy look it up.
http://www.camperlands.co.uk/motorbike-towing-law/
last paragraph is pertinant.
one assumes that being braked or unbraked has little difference.
My old combo used to tow a huge mini caravan
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers mate, passed link on

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:53    Post subject: Re: easy Reply with quote

The Green Cornet wrote:

My old combo used to tow a huge mini caravan


Looks like it cant any more as the link says combo is same as solo.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 14:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

If towing a trailer with a sidecar outfit,the same rules apply as towing with a solo motorcycle(reg 84 of the C&U Regulations)

Trikes come under different rules!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 09:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

A motorbike and sidecar is a two wheeled motorcycle. The sidecar is an accessory. The maximum weight that you can tow with an outfit is 254kg UNLADEN braked or unbraked. I know as I have been down that road with the police on the M3. Get the trailer weighed and if it is under 254kg then you can add up to 254kg. I went to my local weighbridge and got a certificate for the weight and had 2 plates made showing weights for outfit and trailer and affixed to both units. I currently tow a Combi Camp Trailer Tent and towed it last year all over Europe to the Cz and then to Spain. What a trip nearly 5000 miles by the time we got home. I ride an 1800 with a Warwick Sidecar a two seater side by side. It's wide.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trailer must not exceed 150cms in width.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 20:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sidecarman wrote:
A motorbike and sidecar is a two wheeled motorcycle. The sidecar is an accessory. The maximum weight that you can tow with an outfit is 254kg UNLADEN braked or unbraked. I know as I have been down that road with the police on the M3. Get the trailer weighed and if it is under 254kg then you can add up to 254kg. I went to my local weighbridge and got a certificate for the weight and had 2 plates made showing weights for outfit and trailer and affixed to both units. I currently tow a Combi Camp Trailer Tent and towed it last year all over Europe to the Cz and then to Spain. What a trip nearly 5000 miles by the time we got home. I ride an 1800 with a Warwick Sidecar a two seater side by side. It's wide.


Hi, you say that a motorcycle and sidecar comes under the same regulations as a solo bike, then surely the max weight you can then tow is 150kg(includes weight of trailer), max of 1 meter wide and a max length of 2.5 meters which is measured from the centre of the rear wheel to the rear of the trailer.

If the sidecar is classed as an accessory then surely the weight of the sidecar must be included when calculating the total weight being pulled by the motorcycle.

God forbid but if your involved in an accident your insurance company will quickly let you know if you were driving as per regulations.

I know that when i spoke to the police about what i could tow behind my trike they just shrugged thier shoulders, looked at each other and said they were not sure and that i should speak to VOSA.

Maybe someone else has more info on this subject.(GREEN CORNET)

Bob
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 20:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

The latest C & U Regs are 1986.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 20:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When I find out how to do it to get the list which follows I shall post.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 21:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trailers drawn by motor cycles





84.- (1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no person shall use, or cause or


permit to be used, on a road a motor cycle-




(a) drawing behind it more than one trailer;

(b) drawing behind it any trailer carrying a passenger;


(c) drawing behind it a trailer with an unladen weight exceeding 254 kg;

(d) with not more than 2 wheels, without a sidecar, and with an engine


capacity which does not exceed 125 cc, drawing behind it any trailer;

or


(e) with not more than 2 wheels, without a sidecar and with an engine

capacity exceeding 125 cc, drawing behind it any trailer unless-

(i) the trailer has an overall width not exceeding 1 m;

(ii) the distance between the rear axle of the motor cycle and the

rearmost part of the trailer does not exceed 2.5 m;

(iii) the motor cycle is clearly and indelibly marked in a conspicuous

and readily accessible position with its kerbside weight;

(iv) the trailer is clearly and indelibly marked in a conspicuous and

readily accessible position with its unladen weight; and

(v) the laden weight of the trailer does not exceed 150 kg or two

thirds of the kerbside weight of the motor cycle, whichever is the less.








(2) The provisions of paragraph (l)(b), (d) and (e) do not apply if the trailer


is a broken down motorcycle and one passenger is riding it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 22:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob I did not say that an oufit comes under the same Regs as a Solo bike. You must have misread another post. I was giving the definition of a motorcycle with a Sidecar is a motorcycle with two wheels.
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